Legends talk:Hopes Dashed

First Pack

I have gone through the opening chapters 5 times recently. At first, I was verifying some data about what cards are in your deck, and which are rewards. (I believe you start with all but 1 copy of various rewards in your deck from the first chapter, but draw order may be predetermined so that you can't draw, for instance, your piercing javelin) I then became curious about the Card Pack that you purchase as part of the Chapter 7 rewards. There definitely seems to be a pattern, though with only 5 trials, I don't have it nailed down yet. I also do not know if this would be useful to record. I'll include the results here for discussion:

	Epic	Rare 1	Rare 2	Common 1	Common 2	Common 3
Trial 1	Helgen Squad Leader	Cast Out	Eastmarch Crusader	Resolute Ally	Sharpshooter Scout	Nord Firebrand
Trial 2	Rift Thane	Cast Out	Improvised Weapon	Resolute Ally	Sharpshooter Scout	Nord Firebrand
Trial 3	Halls of the Dwemer	Arrow Storm	Improvised Weapon	Mighty Ally	Sharpshooter Scout	Nord Firebrand
Trial 4	Rift Thane	Arrow Storm	Eastmarch Crusader	Portcullis	Sharpshooter Scout	Nord Firebrand
Trial 5	Hero of Anvil	Arrow Storm	Improvised Weapon	Calm	Sharpshooter Scout	Nord Firebrand
Trial 6	Rift Thane	Cast Out	Improvised Weapon	Mighty Ally	Sharpshooter Scout	Nord Firebrand
Trial 7	Hero of Anvil	Arrow Storm	Improvised Weapon	Summerset Shieldmage	Sharpshooter Scout	Nord Firebrand
Trial 8	Dwarven Centurion	Eastmarch Crusader	Improvised Weapon	Mighty Ally	Sharpshooter Scout	Nord Firebrand
Trial 9	Rift Thane	Arrow Storm	Eastmarch Crusader	Mighty Ally	Sharpshooter Scout	Nord Firebrand
Trial 10	Halls of the Dwemer	Cast Out	Improvised Weapon	Mighty Ally	Sharpshooter Scout	Nord Firebrand
Trial 11	Dawnstar Healer	Eastmarch Crusader	Improvised Weapon	Resolute Ally	Sharpshooter Scout	Nord Firebrand
Trial 12	Hero of Anvil	Eastmarch Crusader	Improvised Weapon	Portcullis	Sharpshooter Scout	Nord Firebrand
Trial 13	Dwarven Centurion	Cast Out	Eastmarch Crusader	Resolute Ally	Sharpshooter Scout	Nord Firebrand
Trial 14	Halls of the Dwemer	Cast Out	Improvised Weapon	Calm	Sharpshooter Scout	Nord Firebrand

Some conclusions that I hope hold true:

1. You will always get a Nord Firebrand. (This is part of the Deck Building Tutorial in Ch8, so I am pretty confident here)
2. You will always get a Sharpshooter Scout.
3. You will get 1 Epic, 2 Rares, and 3 Commons
4. 1 Rare card will be Cast Out OR Arrow Storm
5. 1 Rare will be Eastmarch Crusader OR Improvised Weapon.
6. EDIT: 2 Rare cards from among Cast Out, Arrow Storm, Eastmarch Crusader, and Improvised Weapon
7. Cards will be in Strength, Willpower, or Neutral

What should we do with this?--Lost in Hyrule (talk) 23:40, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Wow, I am amazed by this post! I am sure we could use this info somewhere on the site. However, I am a bit reserved how strongly we can back-up some of these conclusions. I agree that there is definitely a pattern here (it is just impossible to get these numbers with luck), but with this small sample size, there could still be a fifth or sixth rare in the pool. Or maybe these are also the only four possible Epic cards you can get. I believe that the Nord Firebrand and Sharpshooter Scout are a given, especially because you say one of them is needed in the next deck building tutorial (maybe we should also have a page for those tutorials?). The distribution of rarities also seems to be quite strong evidence.
Maybe it could be added to a notes section? --Ilaro (talk) 00:10, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

I will go through and run some more trials. It's a bit cathartic to play through the tutorials while watching a show! I think the deckbuilding info is fine as a Note on Chapter 8, since it is simply "Add a card (Nord Firebrand is highlighted, but not mandatory), and then remove a card (Scuttler is highlighted, but not mandatory). Hit Done once you've finished editing your deck." The information here probably makes sense to go in the Notes of Chapter 7. Maybe you could make an argument it should go in a special section of the Packs page, though that seems less suitable to me.

Here it is with 10 data points. There's probably still more to be found. --Lost in Hyrule (talk) 04:07, 13 March 2018 (UTC)